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There’s also a lot of fear, I’m not sure I don’t see it slightly differently I think in everybody surely there must be the potential to want to enjoy nature and open spaces but people are beset with fears

I mean we’ve got all sorts of projects at the moment trying to pull in the hard to reach groups of society, concentrated on the converted on the, I don’t know, the white middle class males, older people whatever, there is huge sectors of society not getting enough out of National Parks.

There was nothing wrong with nature for me as a child. Big parks are great but I need to know there is somewhere a little more wild over the next hill.

This is one of the great breakthroughs in science – understanding that forever our position is becoming smaller if you see what I mean, we started off thinking we were very close to God and dominating everything but the more we realise we are a tiny speck in the universe you know, we are part of that universe and becoming a little bit smaller in the way we were perceived. 

We thought we were the crowning glory of creation and now we realise we are at the end of a long chain of evolutionary development. So we have to start recognizing our true position and from that position start making the decisions for our generation. 
Any references to Dart describe it as a depressing wasteland, thought to be completely not amenable to human inhabitation, untamed, uncontrolled.  

Years later and suddenly people are describing it as mid Devonias Alps and waxing lyrical about beautiful landscapes and the rugged Tors and something happened in the early 19th century, I think and that was the romantics moves which has amazingly altered peoples perceptions.